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No-Brainer
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Originally posted by ahays630
But with 1,000
estimated signups each day, I think it will be around for a few more
months, if not years to come.
You underestimate the power of exponential growth. Studio Traffic which was just as popular a few months ago is now virtually extinct.
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:13 pm |
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DBeavers
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ahays630,
If the primary source of 12DP is new memberships, then this appears to be nothing more than a Ponzi with a twist. It may actually generate some income from advertising, which could extend it's existence further than it would with no revenue other than the new subscribers.
A classic Ponzi scheme uses the new income from subscribers/investors/whatever title they use, to pay the dividends to the first investors. It can grow quite large in a short period as the first people are paid abnormally high dividends on their money. But, at some point, the income won't be sufficient to pay the latest investors, and I can and will collapse.
The majority of the promoters and participants I see have been from outside the US. This could be a means to avoid an investigation by the US FTC.
When a Ponzi collapses, the newest investors are the hardest hit, as they have little chance of getting their money back. I for one choose not to participate in any bizopp that depends on someone losing in order to pay profits to someone else.
There are plenty of business options available, that really generate income for providing a product or service that someone really wants and can benefit from.
Dennis
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:03 pm |
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deomix
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12DP isn't relying only on new members, it gets a lot of money on advertising at their site http://www.hitsdailypro.com and is planing to add a third site to their network:
In the coming months, 12daily Pro will announce its plans for the 3rd site in the 12aily Pro network. As always, we strive to find and fill niches and needs in this industry that no one has successfully been able to. In 2006, watch for 12daily Pro to break new ground yet again!
I believe that is a sign of a stable company that can live long and also make us and them some very nice income.
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:41 pm |
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ahays630
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quote:
Originally posted by No-Brainer
quote:
Originally posted by ahays630
But with 1,000
estimated signups each day, I think it will be around for a few more
months, if not years to come.
You underestimate the power of exponential growth. Studio Traffic which was just as popular a few months ago is now virtually extinct.
I realize this, but Studio Traffic lasted for almost 2 years before collapsing.
If you get in early you can come away with huge profits, and 12dailypro has
only been around for 8 months now and has yet to miss out on payments.
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Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:51 am |
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ahays630
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quote:
Originally posted by DBeavers
ahays630,
If the primary source of 12DP is new memberships, then this appears to be nothing more than a Ponzi with a twist. It may actually generate some income from advertising, which could extend it's existence further than it would with no revenue other than the new subscribers.
A classic Ponzi scheme uses the new income from subscribers/investors/whatever title they use, to pay the dividends to the first investors. It can grow quite large in a short period as the first people are paid abnormally high dividends on their money. But, at some point, the income won't be sufficient to pay the latest investors, and I can and will collapse.
The majority of the promoters and participants I see have been from outside the US. This could be a means to avoid an investigation by the US FTC.
When a Ponzi collapses, the newest investors are the hardest hit, as they have little chance of getting their money back. I for one choose not to participate in any bizopp that depends on someone losing in order to pay profits to someone else.
There are plenty of business options available, that really generate income for providing a product or service that someone really wants and can benefit from.
Dennis
You have a good arguement Dennis, I see where you are coming from.
But as far as the FTC goes, 12dailypro is under a registered company
in the US, Lifeclicks LLC, in North Carolina so they should be okay as
far as that is concerned.
And if I could find a product or service that I could sell and make this kind
of money I would definetly look into, but those are hard to come by.
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Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:57 am |
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No-Brainer
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Originally posted by ahays630
And if I could find a product or service that I could sell and make this kind of money I would definetly look into, but those are hard to come by.
There's your first clue!
The reason you can't find a legitimate way to make that kind of money is because you are comfortable being a con man. As a cheerleader for 12DP, you are just as guilty as they are of bilking all those suckers on the bottom levels out of their money.
If you think that's moral and ethical and don't mind making money that way, I hope you don't whine to loud when it all comes crashing down around your ears.
You know, this wouldn't bother me nearly as much if I had not personally talked to people in this situation. I know a lady in Australia that I have chatted online with that quit a legitimate company we were in together and put all her money in 12DP. She has over $2,000 in there and has dreams of building it up to $6,000 from her paper profits. That's how they suck you in! The more people who have that kind of dreams, the bigger the crash will be, and if you do the math it should be simple to know those numbers will be HUGE.
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Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:45 pm |
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ahays630
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Lol, that is funny.
All of your friends are joining up and you are mad about it?
Lol, that is fine man, nobody is forcing you to join.
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:37 am |
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ColdFusion
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12DP looks like a typical pyramid to me ... I would predict another 2 months before it will go down ...
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:21 pm |
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deomix
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quote:
Originally posted by ColdFusion
12DP looks like a typical pyramid to me ... I would predict another 2 months before it will go down ...
Let's count how many such thoughts we heard from the start of 12DP  A lot!!! I don't thik that 12DP could be considered as a pyramid. Ofcourse it's just my opinion 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:36 pm |
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Vashj
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I belive studi traffic colapsed, not for being a scam, just because they played their cards wrong.
I mean, studio traffic going down, started when 12dp arrived on buisness.
12dp was lucky and started paying faster than studio traffic (thats why poeple liked it better). Then studiotraffic tried expanding, that made them stop paying for a while. So people started watching they could do more money at 12dp.
It is not studiotraffic was a scam, it was just some better autosurf (12dp), with a plan that satisfied better its users, took them out of buisness.
Just think that 1 year ago, every autosurf operated almost the same as studiotraffic. Now days, eveyr autosurf is doing exact same as 12dp.
12dp will fall some day, and that will be when a new and better autosurf program, arrives with a better plan.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:16 pm |
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No-Brainer
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Look, let me draw you a picture.
I start an autosurf today, I am going to get paid 10% for surfing 10 pages every day for 10 days and I put in $100, right? Actually the surfing is just an excuse to get the 10% which is $10 a day. In 10 days I will double my money, but there is only $100 in the pot, are you with me so far?
Now I sign up 10 more people and they put their $100 in. Now there is $1100 in the pot and in 10 days $200 goes to me, leaving $900.
They each sign up 10 more people so there's $10,900 in the pot. Of that I pay out $2,000 to the first 10 I signed up leaving $8,900 in the pot.
We have just started, but this is far enough to point out that each cycle the payments get higher and higher and the pot gets lower and lower. The only way this can succeed is to keep signing up more faster than you have to pay those who reach payday.
So now you need to sign up 100 the next cycle to cover the payouts, then 1,000 and then 10,000 and next 100,000 per cycle to make payroll. Pretty soon you run out of people and the ones on the last round of signups all lose their $100. You can say that's not much to lose, but remember by then there are 1,000,000 of them so the loss is $100,000,000 and that's not peanuts.
The only ones that are sure to come out are the owners and their friends who got in early. There is no product, so it's a Ponzi scheme.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:26 pm |
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ahays630
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That is pretty good logic. But, 12dp claims to have many different "streams"
of income. Two obvious ways they earn money is advertising of course, and also when upgraded members forget/go on vacation/etc and do not surf, therefore not earning their 12% for those days and if they miss enough days 12dp is the one earning money. Also, I am sure they have over $1 or $2 million if not more, in rotation at a time. And I am sure they are trying to capitilize on that as much as possible. Just my 2 cents.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:55 pm |
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ahays630
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Originally posted by No-Brainer
Look, let me draw you a picture.
I start an autosurf today, I am going to get paid 10% for surfing 10 pages every day for 10 days and I put in $100, right? Actually the surfing is just an excuse to get the 10% which is $10 a day. In 10 days I will double my money, but there is only $100 in the pot, are you with me so far?
Now I sign up 10 more people and they put their $100 in. Now there is $1100 in the pot and in 10 days $200 goes to me, leaving $900.
They each sign up 10 more people so there's $10,900 in the pot. Of that I pay out $2,000 to the first 10 I signed up leaving $8,900 in the pot.
We have just started, but this is far enough to point out that each cycle the payments get higher and higher and the pot gets lower and lower. The only way this can succeed is to keep signing up more faster than you have to pay those who reach payday.
So now you need to sign up 100 the next cycle to cover the payouts, then 1,000 and then 10,000 and next 100,000 per cycle to make payroll. Pretty soon you run out of people and the ones on the last round of signups all lose their $100. You can say that's not much to lose, but remember by then there are 1,000,000 of them so the loss is $100,000,000 and that's not peanuts.
The only ones that are sure to come out are the owners and their friends who got in early. There is no product, so it's a Ponzi scheme.
And I just noticed your logic is a little off...
"I start an autosurf today, I am going to get paid 10% for surfing 10 pages every day for 10 days and I put in $100, right?
In 10 days I will double my money, but there is only $100 in the pot, are you with me so far?"
That is not how 12dp works. Apparently you are thinking that you compound on your initial investment everyday. That is not how it goes.
Say you invest $60 at 12dp and surf for 12 days. You will get paid 12% of that $60 everyday, or $7.2 for everyday you surf. Therefore, if you surf all 12 days you will have earned 144% of your initial investment, or $86.40.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:05 pm |
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No-Brainer
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Different numbers, same principal. The bottom line is, to pay me that high a return on my investment the money has to come from somewhere.
If you think it comes from advertising revenues, think about how long someone is going to advertise on an autosurf when they get no response. I mean when was the last time you clicked on an ad? If you say to do, you are in the minority.
This is a food chain. The sharks are eating the little fishes and when there are too many sharks, there won't be enough little fishes to feed them.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:12 pm |
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dunfermlineyank
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Why are yous all saying studio Traffic has colapsed? the site is up and runing
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Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:44 pm |
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