tirion
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Dear Cash2YourDoor,
While I agree that selling a vacation discount plan is better than a fee for basically joining a guild, 99% of the movie/information in your scheme is identical to the others. I did spend my valuable time searching the web for the 'product' your scheme sells.
Let me state again, if a normal person not wanting to join the club can't buy it, thus creating a real market for something, it is nothing more than a 2 up plan where poor saps put in dollars and uplines get the fortune. That is how most all of the historical MLM and Pyramid schemas started out. And yes, the director level chains made literally millions of dollars for a select few, while going to the meetings (like Amway) with the rank and file was like being in the movie Dog Show - crazed and hopeful people wearing polyester suits while being entertained in a multi million dollar home.
Show me where I could buy the travel discount plan as a normal person and/or how to 'buy in' to an upline where cash is already floating and I will take another look - and it better be documentable.
Otherwise, for pete's sake, you all have to stop touting that these things are not MLM, Pyramid or 2Up - I can't believe most of those on the boards doing this can actually sleep well at night nor look their kids in the face.
Most of us seeking viable opportunity (not at the expense of others) really need such an opportunity - I have about 3 months of liquidity left, no assests, have been laid off 4 times in the last 18 years and am currently unemployed in a market that is week for my age bracket and past high salary. I would be willing to sell, invest time and some cash if it were viable but good grief, I could go to Vegas and blow 1/3 of my assets and have a better chance at making moola, or, if I did make cash, how in the world could I explain where the money came from (off the backs of the 97% that believe there is a product and can't get the ecommerce thing working and leave their HARD earned cash in MY pocket? No thankee. I can look in the mirror before bed, poor and unemployed, but with ethics.
Again, I will eat crow depending upon the responses and their content and will sign up and fork over the moola so my upline can buy a new Ipod tomorrow if the information is right. I am a selling machine and with 20 years of internet experience (since before there was a 'web'. I have ethically refused Spam, trolling and mass mailing many times and this is literally no different than adware in how it is marketed.
T
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tirion
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Dear Cash2YourDoor,
I will eat crow on a major point and apologize. 
a) There is an actual product and it is 'ok'.
However, there needs to be more detail on the individual packages. I can see where the $350 cruise would cost over $1000 with flight and several packages on the web from the airlines/hotels are in that price range. If there are more attractive details, they should be made real clear as selling points.
$3900 is reeeaaal steep to become a 2nd tier Director - I would want some money back guarantee within a time frame that the 2Up would be accomplished via the 95% of the work being done by the web interfaces.
T
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Hi Tirion,
The product is best of the best when it comes to personal, professional and financial development. It consists a multitude of audios, videos and as well as an extensive e-learning library. It's comprehensive multimedia educational product, it conveniently serves directly to our customers all over the world right to their computers in just matter of minutes.Valued at $5,000
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You can earn $1,000 and $4,500 in Commissions. If you are interested,
join the the #1 Team in Emerald Passport. Team Utopia
Who you join with does matter.
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Thanks,
Patrick Rodriguez
EPI Entrepreneur
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Terri Morgan
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Hi All -
I'm new to this forum and ran across your thread on a Google search. I have seen the Profit Masters website and I am sure Heath is right in that there is an awful lot of money being made. The Australian 2-Up is a marketers dream, and if you have a way to contact thousands of people and then convince 100's of them the product is great you can absolutely make a ton of cash.
The unfortunate thing is that most people are not marketers with access to 1000's of hungry prospects. Statistics show that the average networker will sponsor 2 or 3 people in whatever program they join. So while it is true the "little guy" may be able to make some money with a program like this, odds are he will give his two qualifiers to his sponsor and then quit.
As far as the product is concerned... well if it's worth $1300 dollars to you then you win no matter what happens right? Everyone knows education is only expensive if you don't learn anything from it.
I applaud the post by srsdiversified for it's "hit it on the head" honesty. No matter what product you decide to promote make sure it is one you believe in and are proud of. This belief and some hard work on your part will bring you success. The only thing that can stop you is fear and/or quitting. Never fear and never quit!
As far as tirion's challenge for anyone to explain that Profit Master is not an MLM... I don't think you'll get anyone to bite. This system is definitely MLM, the only thing I see it lacks is a product that will produce residual income. This is a high-ticket one time purchase of "educational materials," which seems to focus on getting all of the money on the table in one swipe.
Personally, when I was deciding which of the 1000's of networking companies to call home, I looked for a reasonably priced product that was easy to consume, good residual income potential, and the backing of an established company. I'm there, but just like Profit Masters, this route isn't for everyone.
Cheers!
Terri
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SOLNET5
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Originally posted by tirion
Good Day.
I invite anyone and everyone to explain to me what the 'product' is and why this is not (in laymans terms) a MLM or pyramid scenario. I have yet to see anything akin to a real sales oriented business or 'product' and peeps, recruiting for a fee that is the sole product/profit to people who are 97% likely not to 'get it' and exit, leaving their moola in the up lines pockety as compensation for 'hard work' is not selling, is is a violation.
I would rather sell pencils - at least its something people need, use and its an honest days work. That is, unless, someone, again, can answer the above two questions. Then I'll send my check and jump on board.
Thanks and take care
T
I give you an "Amen"
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Originally posted by Terri Morgan
Hi All -
I'm new to this forum and ran across your thread on a Google search. I have seen the Profit Masters website and I am sure Heath is right in that there is an awful lot of money being made. The Australian 2-Up is a marketers dream, and if you have a way to contact thousands of people and then convince 100's of them the product is great you can absolutely make a ton of cash.
The unfortunate thing is that most people are not marketers with access to 1000's of hungry prospects. Statistics show that the average networker will sponsor 2 or 3 people in whatever program they join. So while it is true the "little guy" may be able to make some money with a program like this, odds are he will give his two qualifiers to his sponsor and then quit.
As far as the product is concerned... well if it's worth $1300 dollars to you then you win no matter what happens right? Everyone knows education is only expensive if you don't learn anything from it.
I applaud the post by srsdiversified for it's "hit it on the head" honesty. No matter what product you decide to promote make sure it is one you believe in and are proud of. This belief and some hard work on your part will bring you success. The only thing that can stop you is fear and/or quitting. Never fear and never quit!
As far as tirion's challenge for anyone to explain that Profit Master is not an MLM... I don't think you'll get anyone to bite. This system is definitely MLM, the only thing I see it lacks is a product that will produce residual income. This is a high-ticket one time purchase of "educational materials," which seems to focus on getting all of the money on the table in one swipe.
Personally, when I was deciding which of the 1000's of networking companies to call home, I looked for a reasonably priced product that was easy to consume, good residual income potential, and the backing of an established company. I'm there, but just like Profit Masters, this route isn't for everyone.
Cheers!
Terri
Why dont u find one of their sites and enter your info.Once the person calls you he will 3way you to a confrence call where u can ask questions and you'll have an answer.Dont ask the question to ppl who are not even in the business or never heard anything about it.Everyone has his own opinion about EVERY business..you'll have those who will say "ya it good go for it" and you'll have those with negative comments.
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TonyRush
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I'm not affiliated with EPI or ProfitMasters but I'd like to offer a few qualifying points.
EPI, Coastal Vacations, Liberty League, etc. are not MLM programs. The differences aren't very hard to spot.
1. Most MLMs involve monthly product purchases. The above companies only involve a one-time purchase. (In the case of CV and LLI, these product purchases are optional, not required,)
2. In MLM, each sale that's made results in small commission payments made to an "upline" of people who had nothing to do with creating that sale. In a "two-up" business, only ONE person makes money when a sale is made: the qualified associate who made the sale.
3. MLM incomes are based on building a large organization of people who consume a small amount of product monthly. Most 2-up businesses are nothing more than a simple retail sale business with a referral system built in.
Also, it's worth pointing out that "training sales" and "qualifying sales" have been around for decades. It's not accurate to pretend that this is a concept that's only unique to two-up businesses. Lots of companies in insurance, vacuum cleaner sales, security system sales, etc. use training sales. It's a way to provide an incentive to the person who's assisting a new person to learn the business.
Tony Rush
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TonyRush
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Second, it costs NOTHING to join Coastal as it is illegal to charge $1295 for a biz opp (most states have a law against anything over $500).
Just a small clarification: it's not quite accurate to say that "it's illegal to charge $1295 for a biz opp". There are laws in some states prohibiting a "signup fee" to cost more than $500. But, it's not a federal issue and is often not even enforced in the states which DO have the law.
However, these are non-issues companies like Liberty League International (and apparently Coastal Vacations). Liberty League's sign up starter fee is $50 and there's no product purchase required.
The people who mistakenly claim that LLI, CV or EPI are illegal are apparently spending too much time reading the fiction over at MLMWatchdog. Rod Cook is the most prominent person to get these facts wrong.
Tony
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Bruce Porter
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Originally posted by TonyRush
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Second, it costs NOTHING to join Coastal as it is illegal to charge $1295 for a biz opp (most states have a law against anything over $500).
Just a small clarification: it's not quite accurate to say that "it's illegal to charge $1295 for a biz opp". There are laws in some states prohibiting a "signup fee" to cost more than $500. But, it's not a federal issue and is often not even enforced in the states which DO have the law.
However, these are non-issues companies like Liberty League International (and apparently Coastal Vacations). Liberty League's sign up starter fee is $50 and there's no product purchase required.
The people who mistakenly claim that LLI, CV or EPI are illegal are apparently spending too much time reading the fiction over at MLMWatchdog. Rod Cook is the most prominent person to get these facts wrong.
Tony
http://www.tonyrush.com
Tony, it is even more important to know that Rod is involved in at least one binary, if not personally, then through his wife. So, his views are tainted. If you want real unbiased info go to www.worldwidescam.com by Bob Burtis. Bob has no involvements, and, while I don't always agree with him, I know that he has no ulterior motive.
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TonyRush
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Originally posted by Bruce Porter
Tony, it is even more important to know that Rod is involved in at least one binary, if not personally, then through his wife. So, his views are tainted. If you want real unbiased info go to www.worldwidescam.com by Bob Burtis. Bob has no involvements, and, while I don't always agree with him, I know that he has no ulterior motive.
See, I don't really care for Bob Burtis, either. I will concede that he's often right about the companies he targets but, just as often, he's not. For instance, he's been bashing LegacyUSA for years even though they are a legitimate company. It just seems that people remember when he gets one right and don't notice that much of what he writes is wrong. 
I'm probably a little biased, though, because I don't care for "tabloid-style" websites. I think Burtis (and Rod Cook, for that matter) would have alot more credibility if they presented their ideas in a serious format and made clear distinctions between facts and personal opinions.
Tony
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Leslie
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Hi there, I came across this message board in Google and have read through this thread. Although I am a relative newbie in the Profit Masters sales team, I would like to clarify a few points that do not seem to have been answered yet. Plus I guess I just like a challenge. 
tirion asked: “I invite anyone and everyone to explain to me what the 'product' is and why this is not (in laymans terms) a MLM or pyramid scenario”
Patrick answered what the product is (thanks Patrick!) and I would like to note that it is not mandatory to buy the product at all! If one is such a born salesperson that she can sell a product she has never seen, then that’s great! But for the rest of us who are not born but are learning to be salespeople, then it’s best to know the product. I stumbled across EPI because I was looking for an online financial health/wealth training course – which is what the product is. It wasn’t until after I previewed the product (financial health and wealth online education course) and talked to my current director that I thought I’d give the sales part a try too.
As to why this is not a pyramid scheme, I’d like to quote my co-director, Kimberly Bollmann (from her message board): “A pyramid scheme is an exchange of money for no product. An example of a pyramid would be gifting programs and those new doubler programs. There is no exchange of product. Emerald is not a pyramid, it is direct sales. You are purchasing a self development product. If you were to start a job in sales, someone would train you. When your [sic] in the training mode -- you do not make the commission on any sales you may have lent a hand with. The same thing happens when a stockbroker is trained. The broker in training has to close 10 sales for their trainer before they can start making money. This concept has been around for centuries. The same happens here in Emerald and for that two sales are passed up to your director for training you…With that said, I will say that most people that join as associates have every intention of purchasing the product for their own use once they are making an income. The fact that they have that choice makes it legal, and the fact that they are moving a product in order to make an income crushes any idea of a pyramid scheme.”
goldcoastgirl countered: “"Qualify-ing" sales or not. It will take a lot more to convince someone to part with such a high amount of funds esp. since it costs more than the initial "joining fee" to make those first two sales. I don't know too many people who would be happy with such a delay on their first commission.”
Well, in an ideal world, again we would all be born salespeople. But we’re not and the qualifying process is actually very important, especially for those who have little sales experience, which is the case with many of the people who join. The qualifying process not only trains one how to conduct sales, the qualifying process causes both the director and the qualifier to become invested not just financially but also mentally into the system and to become dedicated to what they’re doing. More often than not, this will help ensure consistent results and success for everyone involved.
Terri Morgan stated: “This system is definitely MLM, the only thing I see it lacks is a product that will produce residual income. This is a high-ticket one time purchase of "educational materials," which seems to focus on getting all of the money on the table in one swipe.”
There is a reason why directors recommend that one buy the product upfront. Again, it is not mandatory to buy the product; only to register and, annually, pay for the right to sell EPI’s product ($99/year). The difference is if one does not buy the product, then one will have to pass up four training sales, rather than two. The reason is that if one buys the product, ostensibly, one will be more familiar with it and thus better equipped to “talk it up,” to be a better salesperson. Makes sense to me.
Maybe I don’t yet have a total salesperson’s mentality right, but it seems to me that few products for sale will, as you say, “produce residual income.” The products of Avon, Amway, and Tupperware – all “acceptable” sales trades – do not. What makes this educational line so attractive is that it is only a one-time purchase, yet EPI is constantly updating and adding new content – however, the purchaser is not charged a single cent more! And access is lifetime. How often does that happen elsewhere? Not very. In college, when my $75 text book was updated, I had to shell out another $75 for the new edition, even if it was just for the second semester of my two-semester biology course!
Also, having purchased the product and actually studied it, I can honestly say that this is an extremely useful product, one that I wish that I had bought in college, before I blindly signed up for my first student loan and three unsecured credit cards.  Even now, 10 years out of college, I find that the information presented in this course is still priceless, even with my ever-changing circumstances. (Please note that this is coming from a person who got out of the cosmetics marketing arena because I couldn’t deal with the manipulation inherent in both aspects of that business!)
When I first started, I thought I could do this on my own and just generate sales, no problem! Well, it turns out that I have a learning curve to overcome, but I am glad because I am becoming more skilled and knowledgeable everyday and if nothing else, those, plus what I learn from EPI’s Wealth and Self series, are things that no one can take away from me.
Final note: Profit Masters is separate from EPI. It is a marketing tool to market EPI's "Wealth and Self" online educational series. You do not have to subscribe to Profit Masters to sell EPI, it's just an efficient way to do so.
Thanks to those who have already contributed to the clarification process! I apologize for the long response, but I am trying to be thorough. I truly hope that I have been able to help. Best wishes to you all!
P.S. tirion, if I've answered your questions, I'll be happy to sign you up! 
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 Emerald Passport is a 3 year old publishing company that has embarked on the next mega-trend, which is webucation or web education. Many of our team members are saving and making money just by using the product!! This is a no-brainer to get involved with a company that is going to make you money just by using the product let alone make money when you follow our simple advice as to run the business. This is truly a well needed product for this country and the education industry. They don't teach you this in school or even college! We work hand in hand with our team members to help them with their business as so many others do to. The reason for the 2 ups is to assure that everyone who gets involved will fully trained and on their way to making money and can handle the business themselves, but we are always here to lend a helping hand if needed. Be sure to get in with someone that is willing to do this, because it is essential in any business to have the proper training tools at the right time. Look forward to helping anyone understand this business!
To your success!
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I saw an ad that read "make a thousand dollars a day in your bare feet." Naturally, I would love to do that, so I clicked to find out how.
I was brought to the Profit Masters movie, and I was blown away by what I saw. I entered my info, and within 24 hours, a man from Profit Masters called me back.
He told me about how he had made over $11,000.00 over the past week with the system, and also that he was a multi-millionare from doing this. He said it was easy and told me about his impressive background and how this was the greatest thing that he had ever come across.
Naturally, I was very excited about this opportunity. I explained to him that I have been working in restaraunts for years, I had saved about fifteen hundred dollars and was looking for a way to make money from home. He promised me this was the opportunity that I was looking for.
I did some research, and decided just to take the plunge. From what I could find on the internet, people were making loads of money, and I wanted to do the same.
I called the man and told him that I was ready to invest, we went over some details, and I asked him several questions about what to expect, and what I was buying. He assured me this was my ticket to freedom from a job and life that I am very unhappy with. We spoke several times as he faxed a one page form for me to fill out with my credit card information. All that was on the form was his info, my info, and a line that read "Three day cancellation policy."
Of course, the money dissapeared from my account IMMEDIATELY. Then, I was unable to reach this man for FOUR days, when he finally returned my phone call. He told me not to worry, that everything was going to be great. He would have his and my director give me a call to go over a business/marketing plan.
I spent $1,295.00 for the "product," which I had to purchase if I wanted to make money, $99.00 for access to the website and all of its "automated marketing tools. This was nearly all of my savings, so I was anxious to hear from this director to find out what I was supposed to do in order to get started on my road to financial freedom.
The director called three days later. He was rude and gruff and insulted me by telling me that as long as I thought like a poor person, I would remain that way. He discouraged me from wasting my time learning about all of the websites, and ordered me to spend $18.00, then $19.95 per month to set up my own website which would be a link to the Profit Masters website. He said I had to have it. Then I had to get some advertising to promote the website and when I got propects, I was to three-way them to him and he would close all of my sales. Then I was to make a long distance call every day to their conference call for training. This is the extent of the support I recieved.
Feeling very discouraged, but wanting to succeed, I did what he said. I spent money on the website and bought advertising, the only thing I didn't follow was his orders not to take the time to learn about the websites.
Thank God for this, because what I discovered as I went through the sites was that this is all a load of crap. Also, the guy who sold it to me lied to me about everything, including the amount of money he was making.
Turns out, I was one of his training sales. He didn't even make any money off of me-in fact, just like me, he had spent quite a pile for nothing.
Also, I came across a link on my website that said "forms" these are forms I am supposed to have people sign when they purchase the "product" from me. The product form is a four page contract that outlines in detail that this is not a business opportunity. The $1,295.00 that I spent was for access to their wealth and self website for one year. After that I would be subject to renewal fees, etc.
Needless to say, I was furious. I called the man and he told me he had no idea what I was talking about because he hadn't even bothered to learn about the product he was selling!!!! I told him I wanted my money back, and he said, "well, I don't know what to tell you because the three-day cancellation period has long passed." He suggested I write to the company, which I did, with no response at all. They are based in Panama. What do they care if I feel ripped off. They are laughing all the way to the bank- AND IT ISN'T EVEN AN AMERICAN BANK!~
Fortunately, for me, I have a great relationship with my bank and I got back every dollar.
So take this as a warning, this is a total scam that is completely out of control and eventually the scale of justice will fall. Look at the IFTC website, people are going to jail for this sort of thing every day.
Oh, and by the way, the man who sold this crap to me called me the other day and offered some "free leads" in order to help me out. As if I would ever victimize someone by lying to them the way he did.
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Originally posted by rachelgriffin
I saw an ad that read "make a thousand dollars a day in your bare feet." Naturally, I would love to do that, so I clicked to find out how.
I was brought to the Profit Masters movie, and I was blown away by what I saw. I entered my info, and within 24 hours, a man from Profit Masters called me back.
He told me about how he had made over $11,000.00 over the past week with the system, and also that he was a multi-millionare from doing this. He said it was easy and told me about his impressive background and how this was the greatest thing that he had ever come across.
Naturally, I was very excited about this opportunity. I explained to him that I have been working in restaraunts for years, I had saved about fifteen hundred dollars and was looking for a way to make money from home. He promised me this was the opportunity that I was looking for.
I did some research, and decided just to take the plunge. From what I could find on the internet, people were making loads of money, and I wanted to do the same.
I called the man and told him that I was ready to invest, we went over some details, and I asked him several questions about what to expect, and what I was buying. He assured me this was my ticket to freedom from a job and life that I am very unhappy with. We spoke several times as he faxed a one page form for me to fill out with my credit card information. All that was on the form was his info, my info, and a line that read "Three day cancellation policy."
Of course, the money dissapeared from my account IMMEDIATELY. Then, I was unable to reach this man for FOUR days, when he finally returned my phone call. He told me not to worry, that everything was going to be great. He would have his and my director give me a call to go over a business/marketing plan.
I spent $1,295.00 for the "product," which I had to purchase if I wanted to make money, $99.00 for access to the website and all of its "automated marketing tools. This was nearly all of my savings, so I was anxious to hear from this director to find out what I was supposed to do in order to get started on my road to financial freedom.
The director called three days later. He was rude and gruff and insulted me by telling me that as long as I thought like a poor person, I would remain that way. He discouraged me from wasting my time learning about all of the websites, and ordered me to spend $18.00, then $19.95 per month to set up my own website which would be a link to the Profit Masters website. He said I had to have it. Then I had to get some advertising to promote the website and when I got propects, I was to three-way them to him and he would close all of my sales. Then I was to make a long distance call every day to their conference call for training. This is the extent of the support I recieved.
Feeling very discouraged, but wanting to succeed, I did what he said. I spent money on the website and bought advertising, the only thing I didn't follow was his orders not to take the time to learn about the websites.
Thank God for this, because what I discovered as I went through the sites was that this is all a load of crap. Also, the guy who sold it to me lied to me about everything, including the amount of money he was making.
Turns out, I was one of his training sales. He didn't even make any money off of me-in fact, just like me, he had spent quite a pile for nothing.
Also, I came across a link on my website that said "forms" these are forms I am supposed to have people sign when they purchase the "product" from me. The product form is a four page contract that outlines in detail that this is not a business opportunity. The $1,295.00 that I spent was for access to their wealth and self website for one year. After that I would be subject to renewal fees, etc.
Needless to say, I was furious. I called the man and he told me he had no idea what I was talking about because he hadn't even bothered to learn about the product he was selling!!!! I told him I wanted my money back, and he said, "well, I don't know what to tell you because the three-day cancellation period has long passed." He suggested I write to the company, which I did, with no response at all. They are based in Panama. What do they care if I feel ripped off. They are laughing all the way to the bank- AND IT ISN'T EVEN AN AMERICAN BANK!~
Fortunately, for me, I have a great relationship with my bank and I got back every dollar.
So take this as a warning, this is a total scam that is completely out of control and eventually the scale of justice will fall. Look at the IFTC website, people are going to jail for this sort of thing every day.
Oh, and by the way, the man who sold this crap to me called me the other day and offered some "free leads" in order to help me out. As if I would ever victimize someone by lying to them the way he did.
Hello, That is a sad story. That is why you must be careful to whom you do business with and that is with any business. We do not treat our reps like that we help them 100% of the way right off the start. We have reps making anywhere from $1000.00 a day up to $10,000.00 per day, besides the product alone has saved people a ton of money that they will save every year. If you would have took the time to go through the product (every bit of it) you would have seen the value of it and how much money you would have saved even though you didnt make any money. I am not trying to down you in any way. Your story is the epitamy of what happens when noone supports them and from reps not taking the time to learn what others are doing to be successful. I am glad of one thing and that is you got your money back! I would be careful in saying that is a scam because it didn't work for you, THAT IS NOT TRUE. you just got with the wrong guy and didn't check out whom you were doing business with. Y0ou just took his word for it. Hope you find that suuccess in business!!
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