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mewalsh100
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I have just recently gone through a divorce and amazingly enough, I have not incurred any short term (IE Credit Card Debt). My ex and I just built the house (2-1/2 years ago) that I live in alone now. I have gone through the mortgage assumption process and I am now the sole "owner" or debtor. The house is in a very nice, newer suburban development. The original purchase price was $251K. My most recent appraisal is $281K. Just this past week I received a rather hefty property tax increase as a result of the county being slow to assess the improved property (IE a home on it as opposed to construction sublot) and also a school levy. I think I can offset the increase by scaling back on my 401K investment, but I'm not sure if this is wise or not? I would like to keep the home, but not at the cost of my future financial freedom. I am 35 years old, and have a 30year fixed mortgage on the home at 5.375%. (I am not in a "bubble-market" region either) I've considered selling and getting into something more economical, but my fear is that in selling the house, I will consume any of the equity I've built through realtor commisons. Does anyone have any advice?
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:14 pm |
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BlankenshipFP
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If you can't afford it, you should sell. Sell for appropriate value, don't discount it, but sell it nonetheless.
You said you'd like to stay there, but not at the risk of your financial future... so if it's more house than you can afford, admit it, sell it, and take the proceeds to move on to the appropriate house.
With regard to your concern about paying a realtor to sell it, presumably you made a down payment on the house, right? Plus you've been making payments for 30 months, and you've seen price appreciation of around $30k. If you made a 10% down payment, your loan balance should be roughly ~$217,000 at this point, so if you sell the house for $280k, and a 7% commission would be $19,600, you would still net $43,400... your results may vary.
Jim Blankenship, CFP�, EA
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:24 pm |
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mewalsh100
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Hi Jim,
Thanks for the response. I guess that's the thing I've been struggling with. I can make the payments, and I'm not incurring any short term debt to do so. I've simply scaled back my 401K investment to kind of maintain the same amount of cash flow I had prior to this tax increase. I'm still investing anywhere from $250 - $350 per month into my 401K. I guess I was thinking that I could just look at the house as another part of the portfolio that would provide both a safe and adequate return over the long term.
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:46 pm |
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BlankenshipFP
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I agree with coaster - you want to make sure that this "cutting back" on 401(k) contributions is a very temporary thing, and that you get back on track so that you'll have time working on your side with your contributions.
Best wishes -
Jim Blankenship, CFP�, EA
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:35 pm |
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mewalsh100
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I am fairly certain that my property taxes will stabilize now that this major school levy has passed, and the property has been formally assessed with the home on it. That was the real biggy. I do see the logic in scaling back, but at the sametime I'm looking at the house as a part of my overall "portfolio" and retirement plan. It's safe to say that I will not lose money on the house/property. I know I'll take a bit of a bath to sell in this current buyers market, and I will also lose that awesome 5.375% rate on a 30 year fixed! I guess I'm waying the cost of sticking it out a little bit and keeping the house against taking the hit when I sell and all the other "start-up" costs to get into a new place, including a new mortgage of 6.5-7.5%. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I am still contributing a minimum of $250 a month to my 401K, and often much more when commissions are strong. My next step will be to layout my past two years success' as a Sales Manager to the owner of my company, and offset the increase further with a salary raise. Any more thoughts and advice are greatly appreciated. Thanks again for all the help!
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:54 pm |
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An alternative strategy would be to pay off the house quickly as possible then start moving the 1400 monthly mortgage to high yield investment.
Judging by your ability to include 250 monthly to 401k your income can probably pay off the house in 10 years, then on sale profits are 100% yours. This eliminates concern of a market down turn.
Apply the alternate strategy and the break even (monthly payment to principal equals interest would be year 4, as opposed to year 20 on a 30 year note.
You also have the benefit of 100% equity ownership that you can pull out or leverage at your discretion.
Here are three thoughts to help keep your budget in track:
Spending is an emotional value decision. Price vs feel good or better = well spent
Buying is a utility value decision. Price vs usefulness = good buy
Investing is a profit value decision. Price vs profit on exit = good investment
Time is our most volatile resource that if not used immediately is lost instantly
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BlankenshipFP
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I wouldn't recommend pre-paying a 5.375% mortgage - you'll want to keep that as long as you can. You'll likely make far more in even the most conservative investments, especially when you net out the tax deduction...
Jim Blankenship, CFP�, EA
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:58 am |
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mewalsh100
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So, given all that info, am I on the right path with my decision to keep the house? The other aspect of this whole thing is on a personal level. At 35, there is a real strong chance I will be married again, or at least seriously involved with someone. Bottom line, I'm pretty sure I'll want / need the space again in the near future. (I have my daughter weekends and a signifigant other around my age will probably have kid(s) of her own) I hate to sell the home and lose the 5.375% mort, get into a smaller/cheaper place as a gap stop for the next 3-5 years, and then have to get back into a larger place at a much higher rate.
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:54 pm |
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mewalsh100
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Thanks! I think that's what I'm going to do.
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Kiaser
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Originally posted by mewalsh100
I have just recently gone through a divorce and amazingly enough, I have not incurred any short term (IE Credit Card Debt). My ex and I just built the house (2-1/2 years ago) that I live in alone now. I have gone through the mortgage assumption process and I am now the sole "owner" or debtor. The house is in a very nice, newer suburban development. The original purchase price was $251K. My most recent appraisal is $281K. Just this past week I received a rather hefty property tax increase as a result of the county being slow to assess the improved property (IE a home on it as opposed to construction sublot) and also a school levy. I think I can offset the increase by scaling back on my 401K investment, but I'm not sure if this is wise or not? I would like to keep the home, but not at the cost of my future financial freedom. I am 35 years old, and have a 30year fixed mortgage on the home at 5.375%. (I am not in a "bubble-market" region either) I've considered selling and getting into something more economical, but my fear is that in selling the house, I will consume any of the equity I've built through realtor commisons. Does anyone have any advice?
Congrats, you just dropped a hefty load of debt (the wife).
You live alone now, no reason not to rent out a room or two and make the other people pay for not only the property tax hike but a large part of the mortgage payment too!
Change your 401k contributions to whatever is matched by your company only. Take all the other money and put it into an IRA. Everything else dump into an investment portfolio that's outside of retirement accounts.
A home is an excellent LONG TERM investment. Ask anyone above 50 that had sold a house they were paying on in their 20's and 30's and they'll tell you they would give anything to have kept that house. If you want to downsize, do so but rent out that house in it's entirety and keep it.
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El Presidente
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Originally posted by Kiaser
Congrats, you just dropped a hefty load of debt (the wife).
Assuming mewalsh100 is a man, of course.
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:05 am |
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mewalsh100
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Last time I checked, I was still a man  Although I'm sure my ex would like to remedy that ala Lorena Bobbitt! Anyway, I'm definitely going to do the renter thing. I figure if I could get 2 renters, they'd be making the mortgage for me! I have scaled back the 401K, but not all the way to only the employer match. Worth considering. What would be the advantage of putting the rest in the IRA as opposed to just leaving it over and above the employer match in the 401? Taxes?
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:24 pm |
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bong12187
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I like the idea of you renting out the other two rooms to offset the mortgage payment. I also agree with others assessment that the house is a little big for you alone but with you looking at the future about the possibility of getting married again and raising a family, you are better off keeping the house.
Have you looked at the tax options that you might have? Are you getting any refunds now or plan on getting them next year? If you do, this might be your other option to supplement your 401k by changing your W4. Additionally, the more you put in to your 401k, the more you put in, the less money Uncle Sam will take from you.
Goodluck... B
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KEVIN23ac
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i suggest you keep the house and do as Kiaser said. rent out some of the rooms. this way, you'll have help in paying out the mortgage. 
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Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:06 pm |
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foxi$
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Keep it if u can afford it , rent it out ,have fun do what make u happy!! Give yaself lot of laughter be open to possibilities if ya in a good postion you know you can handle the payments, enjoy the ride see you at the top!!!!
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