rachelgriffin
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I spent hours and hours going through the site. Access to a website for one year would never be worth $1,295.00 to me - especially when all of the information on this website is available in books that a person could get for free at their local library in a short amount of time.
You are correct in stating I did businesss with the wrong person. My question to you is HOW MANY OTHERS ARE HAVING THE SAME EXPERIENCE? There is no way to tell because there is no real management of the people involved.
I wrote to FIVE people who have websites online offering to help people make money with the EPI/Profitmasters program. NOT ONE of them wrote back to me. You may say they are too busy; however, my guess is the reason they are too busy is because they would not be able to make any money with me.
This company is a scam. I do not have to be careful in saying this because it is a fact. What I do have to be careful of is not getting involved with anything on the internet because it is a breeding ground for scum who prey on people like me just to make a quick buck.
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Leslie
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| In answer to your concerns (Sorry for the long post!) |
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Hi rachelgriffin:
I'm so sorry that someone felt he had the right to mislead you and misrepresent himself and EPI/Profit Masters to you! His unconscionable behavior is inexcusable. Still, I agree with vmarketing that you just got caught up with the wrong guy. I personally have not found this program to be a scam and please know that not all directors are like that bozo. That being said, I would like to take a moment to respond to your concerns that he obviously did not.
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Access to a website for one year would never be worth $1,295.00 to me - especially when all of the information on this website is available in books that a person could get for free at their local library in a short amount of time.
For $1295, the buyer of the online education ("webucation") program gets lifetime, unlimited access to the site, not just one year. (Distributors need to renew their rights to sell the product annually, for $99/year. Perhaps that’s what you meant?) Keep in mind that EPI is continually adding to the "Wealth and Self" series at no additional cost -- what other education course does that?! Yes, you could get a lot of this information at the library, but if that were the case, why doesn't everyone just go to the library for anything? Theoretically, one could get an entire college education from a library, but still thousands of people each year shell out thousands of dollars to attend college. I found EPI because I personally was looking for an online course in financial health. I am an avid reader, but I don't have time to sift through dozens of books to find the information I need. This format is convenient too. Having access to a computer at my job, I could jump on whenever I had a few minutes -- not something I could easily do if I were to carry a number of books with me. Also, the Wealth and Self series comes in text, audio, and video format and anyone who has ever been in education can tell you that the more varied the formats of one's learning materials are, the more efficiently one will absorb the information.
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You are correct in stating I did businesss with the wrong person. My question to you is HOW MANY OTHERS ARE HAVING THE SAME EXPERIENCE? There is no way to tell because there is no real management of the people involved.
Because there will always be dishonest people, I'm sure others are having a similar experience as you, and that is sad. Unfortunately, that is also part of the risk of getting out of the "safety" of a typical 9-5 job and going into a home-based business. (Although I personally think that the risks outweigh the hazards, but that is my own mentality.) Think about it: how often have you met dishonest people in the “regular” industries? Car salesmen, auto mechanics, even professionals such as doctors and lawyers! These all have levels of management too, yet it happens. I've had nice sales ladies of certain reputable cosmetics companies lie to me about their products and was even once shystered by a man posing as a priest collecting charity donations! But I’ve also met honest people in these same industries and that keeps me using them.
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I wrote to FIVE people who have websites online offering to help people make money with the EPI/Profitmasters program. NOT ONE of them wrote back to me. You may say they are too busy; however, my guess is the reason they are too busy is because they would not be able to make any money with me.
My guess is that they didn’t write back because there is not much any of them could do to help after the fact, much in the same way one mechanic’s garage can’t really do anything about previous bad service you’ve had with another garage. I’m glad you were able to recoup your money from your bank, you’re very lucky!
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This company is a scam. I do not have to be careful in saying this because it is a fact. What I do have to be careful of is not getting involved with anything on the internet because it is a breeding ground for scum who prey on people like me just to make a quick buck.
Actually, the company itself (EPI) is not a scam. It is a legitimate, debt-free company with operating offices. Their product (the “Wealth and Self” webucation series) is a legitimate, salable, and quality product. However, like most industries, there are dishonest distributors that affiliate themselves with the company. If these distributors do anything illegal (such as practice blatantly illegal spamming), then EPI can take a certain amount of action, but the nature of this type of business is such that they can’t strictly regulate what their independent distributors say to make their sales, they can only instruct and hope their distributors are honest.
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Naturally, I was very excited about this opportunity…I did some research, and decided just to take the plunge. From what I could find on the internet, people were making loads of money, and I wanted to do the same.
Unfortunately, nothing is fool-proof. I’m glad you did some research, but I recommend that you strengthen your due diligence before embarking on any income-generating program and triple your fact-finding efforts. Make sure you get personal recommendations from other people. Check out lots of message boards, such as this one. Talk with people who have both por and con points of views. In cases of team efforts, such as those within the Profit Masters system, talk to several lines of teams. If anyone refuses to elaborate on their answers to your questions, definitely don’t do business with that person! More information can only make you more comfortable.
It wasn't until later -- after I began the “Wealth and Self” series and I felt certain that EPI offered a legitimate product -- that I decided for myself to really try my hand at online direct sales as well. At this point, I am relatively new to sales, completely new at online direct sales, which is different from retail sales, and I am working with an extremely limited marketing budget, so my learning curve is a bit bigger and my prospecting is a little slow in coming. But I am getting some inquiries and I truly believe that this is a useful product, so I’m going to keep plugging away. I also don't believe in a pressurized sale. I give the information and answer questions and leave it up to the prospect to decide if this is right for her, because it really isn't for everyone. Maybe if I were unethical like that clown you dealt with, I'd have made more money by now! But then I wouldn't be able to sleep nights, either and frankly, I don't know how he does. I’m sorry you had to go through such a negative experience at all. Anyway, if you like, feel free to check in with me to see how it’s going. I’d be happy to give you an honest report. 
Best wishes in all your future entrepreneurial endeavors!
Leslie
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Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:29 pm |
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amazin_chino
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The qualifying sales in the insurance or broker field is much different from pure recruiting business. If there is constant recruiting where 2 sales are passed up will that not create a pyramid?
Everyone is speaking of leverage but it cannot be done using this bizz op without hurting others. The true value of this product will be determined if the bizz op was not there, would people still buy the product? If not doesn't violate the code of business ethics? Eventually this product will be saturated and then what? Would you tell the prospective buyer that? I'm sure if your even a bit educated you know this business is unethical...yet you still do it. What you people are doing is either twisting the truth or concealing the truth...it truly makes me believe evil outweighs good in the world.
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wonderlunder
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I think it is a shame what happened to RachelGriffin as well. I don't know of any EPI Directors like that. My sponsor has become a good friend of mine along with the people we bring into the business. At the first of these posts, someone kept complaining about 2ups, then someone else said that it is a shame that people come here and post about things they don't know about. I would like to say that with EPI, members help others and so it is unfortunate that rachelgriffin situation ended up that way. In our virtual marketing and training back offices, we are encouraged not to be like that for obvious reasons. One, it is just not right and secondly, it is bad business overall. Any other EPI Director knows this when they click on the Director's Link in our www.epassportinc.com back office. It goes against how that person came off to her. With that being said, there are several great Directors in EPI who help others along the way. I can spend hours over the phone with showing others all the aspects of our business platform and never go without 12 hours of not returning a phone call, but that is just how I am. Several other EPI directors have team conference and leadership calls and can spend a whole day helping others to learn the outline of our product and program. Because our system is duplicatable, the people I know in EPI are upfront and honest about everything (which we are all encouraged through training to do...which is be honest, when we approach others about our business so they feel comfortable about how they can duplicate success). That is why I find it unfortunate that the person RachelGriffith contacted came off the way he did
When it comes to "2UPS" as people phrase it, with EPI, several Directors are right in sync with there team to help move others up to start making profits and sharing the information about EPI to others. If it was a "buy the product and desert your team" atmosphere, I wouldn't recommend a program like that. Personally, that is why I started my own EPI team, so I could help others learn the program that my sponsor taught me and be on the fast track, One of my greatest rewards in life is giving back to others, whether it is one of the motivational programs I speak for, teaching others what took me years to learn and seeing others succeed. Why would I want to leave someone hanging? This goes back to duplication.
One thing alot of people tend to forget are alot of educational programs that sell everyday for over 3,500 for a three day seminar. I myself have been to quite a few of those and while some are life changing, some of them do not amount up to EPI. If someone clicks on a learning program in our products and listens to or watches and then learns from the program, they may find out it is well worth much more than 1,295. I went in with an open mind and it changed and helped me in alot of aspects of my overall life, so YES! I would absolutely purchase the product if there was no program that allowed us to resell it. That is why I chose the program is because I believe in the value of it and so does everyone else I know. I do believe in the other programs, such as Coastal, but there's no reason for me to join Coastal when I have been to fifty-two countries, six continents and worked on cruiselines all over the world. I myself can go cruising for much less than what Coastal people get it for, but that is just because I have connections in the travel and cruise industry to do so. If I didn't, then maybe I would've chose Coastal, who knows? That is where EPI came in for me, because the program was right for me. For others, Liberty League's program is right for them and I have known people who have had there life changed through that program as well. Believing in your program is an important key to success.
EPI just added a real estate course that is amazing and cuts to the chase right away. No hype, just facts and information to fit your personal situation or to use the information to excel in that field. I gave access to our product to several friends in real estate over the weekend to hear there feedback and they were all extremely impressed and suprised that the price for the EPI product overall is only $1,295.
That is just my two cents. I wish everyone all the best on there endeavors to give and receive what they want out of life.
All the best,
Scott Lundergan
www.onlinewealthcreation.com
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amitch
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More-Heart-Than-Talent
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| [b]Always[/b]A Question Of[b]Value[/b] - An[b]EPI [/b] view |
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Every word of dispute regarding business opportunities available on the internet boils down to a question of value exchange -- in the opportunity itself, and, if applicable, to the product or service it markets. There is no business anywhere in the world that doesn't involve an exchange of value, and money is the most convenient medium for that trade-off.
Those who post unfavorably do so from either past experience after investing money and/or time and not receiving what they expected from the product and/or the business. Or there are those who do so from perceived results based on conjecture alone, or personal bias. When the product comes into question, then the business opportunity also is suspect.
The EPI "product" is without question when it comes to a value judgment. I personally have tripled the original product cost in received value by using only 2 modules, and have yet to utilize the other 98% of the information. So, in my case, is there any question? No way.
The new Real Estate module, added 2 weeks ago, has been heralded by experts as a fabulous addition to our product. As a realtor, I was licensed and practiced in 2 states, with differing laws. This module can be applied regardless of location, state of the economy, or condition of the market. It also adds to the global appeal of the business modules in the EPI product, since many foreigners desire to do business in the United States today.
The other 98% also remains available to me for realized future value upon its application in my life. In addition, my personal due diligence over a year indicated that others were equally satisfied with the EPI product. Posts here and elsewhere on the internet attest to the same fact.
Talbot Stephens
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More-Heart-Than-Talent
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| [b]Always[/b]A Question Of[b]Value[/b] - An[b]EPI [/b] view |
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Every word of dispute regarding business opportunities available on the internet boils down to a question of value exchange -- in the opportunity itself, and, if applicable, to the product or service it markets. There is no business anywhere in the world that doesn't involve an exchange of value, and money is the most convenient medium for that trade-off.
Those who post unfavorably do so from either past experience after investing money and/or time and not receiving what they expected from the product and/or the business. Or there are those who do so from perceived results based on conjecture alone, or personal bias. When the product comes into question, then the business opportunity also is suspect.
The EPI "product" is without question when it comes to a value judgment. I personally have tripled the original product cost in received value by using only 2 modules, and have yet to utilize the other 98% of the information. So, in my case, is there any question? No way.
The new Real Estate module, added 2 weeks ago, has been heralded by experts as a fabulous addition to our product. As a realtor, I was licensed and practiced in 2 states, with differing laws. This module can be applied regardless of location, state of the economy, or condition of the market. It also adds to the global appeal of the business modules in the EPI product, since many foreigners desire to do business in the United States today.
The other 98% also remains available to me for realized future value upon its application in my life. In addition, my personal due diligence over a year indicated that others were equally satisfied with the EPI product. Posts here and elsewhere on the internet attest to the same fact.
Talbot Stephens
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amazin_chino
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If you truly believe in this product so much, is it possible for you to do a trial of selling the product only without the business opportunity at the same price? There is a disclaimer policy claiming that the business opporunity is optional and that you are buying the product only. Anyhow I would be very interested in the results.
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:24 am |
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amazin_chino
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| Re: Profit Masters---Simply a Marketing Tool |
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Originally posted by wisdomnow
Hello!
Profit masters is a marketing arm for Emerald Passport. To answer your original question, not it's not too good to be true at all. Granted it is glamorized, but what commercial for any product isn't?
It's the initial commercial that you see to pique your interest in joining the company-Emerald Passport. If you invest wisely in the leads you direct to your profit masters movies then you'll have good results.
To judge the movie as good or bad is like asking if a commercial is good or bad. Well, it could be good or bad, but likely the question you should ask is, can you put that commercial in front of enough people to make some sales?
I participate in both Emerald Passport and Profit Masters Team's marketing. Personally I believe it made my Emerald business much easier!
any questions, feel free to ask away!
Aaron R. Walsh
415-738-8801
So you believe in false advertising? What if someone were to literally believe what the video had said? That the marketing tool does 98% of the work is done for you, the possible income streams etc. I just don't like the tactics Profit Masters is using.
Anyhow how many sales are you averaging weekly if you don't mind me asking? And how many hours of work did you put into it? Out of curiousity.
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successdesire
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To wisdomnow
So there is no recruiting friends and family. But how do you buy leads and how much do they cost? Are the leads very good? I'm afraid I won't be able to sell when I buy it.
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Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:05 pm |
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pjm
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I am thinking VERY seriously about joining emerald passport. Can anyone give me sound suggestions. I want to do it full time from home.
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