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TeenInvestor
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Originally posted by No-Brainer
What happened to the concept of taking responsibility for yourself?
If minimum wage is not enough for you, go out and learn something that's worth more.
That would be ideal, however not everyone has the chance/opportunity to do this. How does someone who must work 10 hrs a day to feed themselves afford to pay for an education?
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Originally posted by No-Brainer
There's nothing forcing anyone to work for less than they think they deserve, the problem is too many don't even deserve that much.
The real problem is the terrible educational system in the U.S, where we don't give our citzens the ability to live good lives. College education is necessary in nearly all cases, yet those who really need the education cannot afford it.
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If the employers can't get people to accept what they offer, they will either raise the offer of go out of business. That's just basic economics.
So I say shrink the government and put the money into jobs. Let the government workers go out and try finding a job with no useful skills.
I say we reorganize our educational system, so that our citizens have the ability to do jobs that will give them the chance to live good lives.
In the global economy, we really have no edge.
We are no more educated than countries like India, in fact they may be more educated than us. Not to mention they will work for much less.
It has been proven that living on minimum wage is nearly impossible, so when you are struggling to survive you don't really have the chance to educate yourself to fill the requirements for higher paying jobs.
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No-Brainer
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You have been paying much too much attention to the establishment my friend. Anyone with the desire and fortitude to go for it can do anything they want to succeed in this country.
I was born in Los Angeles, CA in a small ghetto known as Watts and my dad was killed racing cars when I was three. My Mon had three kids under 4 years old with no insurance and had to live in government housing.
I still don't have a full college education, although half my kids do. I went to Community college taking 15 hours on the GI Bill while working a 60 Hour a Week job and raising three kids at that time (eventually six) so I know what it's like to have to struggle, believe me.
Anyone who says there is no opportunity in this country is just plain . . .
I'll stop there, but I think you can see you hit my button.
I'm retired now and have all I need to be very comfortable. I tried getting a good job when I was 40 and finished my 2 years of college but no luck but bad luck. I still didn't give up, I started my own business and fed my six kids on $3,000 a year to get it going. After 30 years I sold it along with the property it sat on which I owned and leased back to my company. The end result was the company paid for the property and I got all the money.
Some people say those opportunities dried up and are no longer available, right? Tell that to my 24 year old son who is doing quite well following in his old dad's footsteps.
It all comes down to you, if you believe you can or can't, you are right in both cases.
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LottomagicZ4941
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Originally posted by No-Brainer
What happened to the concept of taking responsibility for yourself?
If minimum wage is not enough for you, go out and learn something that's worth more.
There's nothing forcing anyone to work for less than they think they deserve, the problem is too many don't even deserve that much.
If the employers can't get people to accept what they offer, they will either raise the offer of go out of business. That's just basic economics.
So I say shrink the government and put the money into jobs. Let the government workers go out and try finding a job with no useful skills.
Hay I'm a MLMer. I have never worked for minimum wage. I'll tell you that my tax burden was a burden when I was making $9.25 an hour. But when I was making 45K I never even noticed shelling out money for taxes. Even if you doubled my tax rate at 45K it would have been less of a burden then what they took when I was making $9.25 an hour.
In some ways your thinking is a blame the victim sort of a thing. For every job requiring a college education there are two people to fill the position.
One time I tried to unionize an employer and I got a $2 an hour raise. Just two weeks earlier they said a raise wasn't in the bugget. One female co-worker was making $5.50 an hour after 5 years of experience. Another male co-worker with 3 years in who wasn't as good as her was making $9 an hour. Perhpas if I had been sucessfull at unionizing the store they wouldn't have gone bankrupt losing cases for paying women less money then the men.
As for TeenInvestor's theory about our education system being bad. I have to disagree with that one. We have librarys and you can learn if you want to learn. We have a surplus of educated people in this country.
Perhpas MLM can put upward pressure on wages? So I can see the arguement that you can earn as well as learn if you want.
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coaster
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Originally posted by LottomagicZ4941
... they said a raise wasn't in the bugget. ...
Ha ha ... I've heard that excuse myself.  And it's just an excuse, really. 
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No-Brainer
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... they said a raise wasn't in the bugget. ...
Ha ha ... I've heard that excuse myself. And it's just an excuse, really.
I put in to attend a seminar and got the same excuse. The next day my boss drove in with a new company car, a Porsche 911!!! Needless to say I quit and started my own business the next day.
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LottomagicZ4941
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Originally posted by coaster
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Originally posted by LottomagicZ4941
... they said a raise wasn't in the bugget. ...
Ha ha ... I've heard that excuse myself. And it's just an excuse, really.
I put in to attend a seminar and got the same excuse. The next day my boss drove in with a new company car, a Porsche 911!!! Needless to say I quit and started my own business the next day.
LOL one time I asked my dad for a day off and he told me to work for some one else so I did!!!
Went on an interview for a generic advert and was telemarketing before the sun went down.
Didn't seem like work until I discovered that the people could get the product much cheaper if they just ordered it from the incerts in the magazine.
Went from being fun to being a drugery because I felt like I was ripping people off.
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Nishima
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I find that jobs that want good help and want people to actually stay take it upon themselves to pay more than minimum wage anyway.
A pizza place can pay minimum wage because it takes all of 15minutes to train another highschool kid how to read the pizza-make chart that tells them how much cheese, pepperoni, and toppings to put on a small, medium, and large pizza. (I know because I worked at a pizza place for 2 years in high school, another for a year in college, and even worked part-time at one in my early 20's to save up for an engagement ring for my wife.)
There are people I suppose due to travel restrictions, legal status, age, etc that have no choice but to work for minimum wage and I feel for those folks. But I do not think many "career" type jobs pay minimum wage in most cases as the turn-over would be too high.
The plant I work at has some jobs with 6 months or even a full year training periods before most employees are skilled enough to be released as "qualified." We cannot deal with high rates of turn-over and thus the lowest paying job in the plant is $9.00 with more skilled jobs paying between $14 and $18. If we did not pay this much, the skilled slashing and weaving technicians would go somewhere else.
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No-Brainer
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Nishima is right on target. It all comes down to value like any other commodity in the world. Labor is just that and nothing else, it will be purchased at the prevailing rate and you can't blame the employers for wanting the best deal they can get. So bottom line is learn so you can earn.
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LottomagicZ4941
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quote:
Originally posted by No-Brainer
Nishima is right on target. It all comes down to value like any other commodity in the world. Labor is just that and nothing else, it will be purchased at the prevailing rate and you can't blame the employers for wanting the best deal they can get. So bottom line is learn so you can earn.
Workers need to learn to unionize so they can earn what they are worth.
I got a $2 an hour raise just trying to unionize my employer. Co-workers were afraid I would be fired but I knew I could get another job paying what I was making.
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