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Can Germany SAVE Europe?
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Maybe, with help from France
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Germany is being relied upon to SAVE Europe. That’s a first, at least as far as I know of. If Germany and perhaps France, who is not without their own problems, do not step in to defend (another word for Bailout) Europe, the threat of a European contagion will continue. At this moment, the European Central Bank (ECB) is the only tool to help the weak European nations out of their fiscal problems and the concern is that they do not have sufficient ammunition to solve the problem let alone contain it.

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At this moment, the European Central Bank (ECB) is the only tool to help the weak European nations out of their fiscal problems...

...and the ECB is also one of the major causes of their problems.

I don't think Germany is going to allow themselves to get pulled down into the same pit just to save the EU. And I don't think they should. Why should a country that's done things mostly right be punished in order to save countries who've done things mostly wrong. If a country was an individual, the best and sometimes the only way to learn a lesson is to suffer the consequences.

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I really am not sure how to respond. It is a global economy now. I just hope things start turning around for all nations now. The problems in Europe affect the USA markets for example, and vice versa. I'd guess Germany's economy is not immune either.

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Can they = yes
Will they is the question.
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Originally posted by KeithSpringer
At this moment, the European Central Bank (ECB) is the only tool to help the weak European nations out of their fiscal problems...

...and the ECB is also one of the major causes of their problems.

I don't think Germany is going to allow themselves to get pulled down into the same pit just to save the EU. And I don't think they should. Why should a country that's done things mostly right be punished in order to save countries who've done things mostly wrong. If a country was an individual, the best and sometimes the only way to learn a lesson is to suffer the consequences.


Many think WWII happened 'cuz the Germans were forced to over pay for WWI.

"Why should a country that's done things mostly right be punished in order to save countries who've done things mostly wrong" There is a lot of German guilt. Perhaps not enough to save Greece. If Germany is going to save anyone they need to take some of the pain as well. Put back their retirements back further then the country that is going to save them.

I was SHOCKED that the Germans gave up the Mark. So I'm not always right on my theories. I talk to more
German-Americans then German-Germans so my prospective is limited.

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I was SHOCKED that the Germans gave up the Mark.

Me, too. Even more shocked when the Swiss pegged the SF to the Euro. There are things going on that don't make any sense. Many of the usual correlations have decoupled. Whether or not it remains this way, I can't answer. I think I'm going to go with history and human nature, and eventually things are going to get back to their "normal" correlations; "normal" meaning historical averages.

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Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later.

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There's an interesting youtube video by a Jewish Israeli woman (previous New Yorker), which might interest you guys; attempts to explain monetary lordship (Rothschild). Cut the chase, read the comments...
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Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later.

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LOL

"Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later."

versus "Success to all"

I'm Americanized German but most Germans believe where there is a will there is a way. Germany can save Greece if the Greeks take their austerity. Part of the problem is the multiple wills. In a way the Greek domino has already fallen. How will the strained euro be patched up to the point that it is a threat again to the dollar? Oh wait we have massive debt so we might not have to worry about our dollar being to strong any time soon.

Easy to get to negative or pollyanna(sp?).

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Originally posted by Offshore-Wealth.com
Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later.

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LOL

"Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later."

versus "Success to all"

I'm Americanized German but most Germans believe where there is a will there is a way. Germany can save Greece if the Greeks take their austerity. Part of the problem is the multiple wills. In a way the Greek domino has already fallen. How will the strained euro be patched up to the point that it is a threat again to the dollar? Oh wait we have massive debt so we might not have to worry about our dollar being to strong any time soon.

Easy to get to negative or pollyanna(sp?).


Interesting,

Always nice to hear other opinions on issues of bail outs, but if Germany has to bail out Greece, so to will they have to bail out all the rest, as it would then be impossible to bail out just Greece when all of other Euro nations are in same bankrupt state as the U.S. is. Not a problem any one country can save as I see it. Well, one way or another, we should see something happen in next month, a yea or no.

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I go for the traditional views of cooperation. Germany is just one country. It may be able to effect change, but it won't be strong enough to save Europe. It has to be a collective effort so saving and redemption can be achieved.

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Iam not sure he, but I think Jewish run companies will play a very important role here. Those that are situated in the US will be very vital here.

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I also think that no matter what happens, the US is still a nation and a country that will best affect Europe. This is the reason why I do not look at it as one country being able to save the entire Europe.

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quote:
Originally posted by Offshore-Wealth.com
quote:
Originally posted by LottomagicZ4941
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Originally posted by Offshore-Wealth.com
Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later.

Success to all,


LOL

"Simple, NO, impossible, the domino effect would pull them under sooner or later."

versus "Success to all"

I'm Americanized German but most Germans believe where there is a will there is a way. Germany can save Greece if the Greeks take their austerity. Part of the problem is the multiple wills. In a way the Greek domino has already fallen. How will the strained euro be patched up to the point that it is a threat again to the dollar? Oh wait we have massive debt so we might not have to worry about our dollar being to strong any time soon.

Easy to get to negative or pollyanna(sp?).


Interesting,

Always nice to hear other opinions on issues of bail outs, but if Germany has to bail out Greece, so to will they have to bail out all the rest, as it would then be impossible to bail out just Greece when all of other Euro nations are in same bankrupt state as the U.S. is. Not a problem any one country can save as I see it. Well, one way or another, we should see something happen in next month, a yea or no.

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yes or no hum more like when? but based on domino theory saving just the weakest might work. Greece has 11 million right? Think that is what NPR said. Can 11 mill tank the world?

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If this happens to a single country like Greece it is still manageable by Germany. But what about the whole of Eastern and Western Europe?

Will Germany able to help all these countries? So don’t underestimate the problems in Europe and Germany capabilities!

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