Euler
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Well... Sarah, I'm not attempting to say that Saddam wasn't brutal. He was, as I've often repeated. Nobody sheds a tear now that he's gone.
But to paint him as some sort of Hitler reveals your ignorance of both Saddam AND Hitler.
When you defensively and bitterly demand gratitude from the people of Iraq as they grieve for the more than 13,000 dead as a result of US collateral damage - before they even have their electricity back, their running water back, their CIVILIZATION back - it is the height of US ignorance. It is the worst of US arrogance. Please stop showing the world the worst about us Americans!
The MISSION has not been ACCOMPLISHED. Iraq is today in the first staghes of Civil War and complete social chaos, according to Bush's installed leader Allawi. This is what Bush's man says! And here you are demanding your proper thank-yous from Ashraf as if this was the happy ending of some 30 minute episode of Andy Griffith! Puh-leeeze!
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Euler
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In other words, you have no response. Just as I thought. Sit down, Sarah.
Oh and the term is "straw man". Google it, sometime. (straw dog? LOL, how embarrassing for you! ...and oh look, you plaigarized!
"Straw Dogs" is a Sam Peckinpah film from 1971, it is not terminology - no matter what 'Arunabh Das' says on Urban Dictionary . com. LOLOLOL!
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Euler
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Are you really going to fight the "Straw Dog" battle? LOL
Straw Dog is not used by anyone anywhere, you are bluffing to compensate your humiliation. I don't blame you. That was humiliating for you. It still doesn't mean straw dogs is a term people use in the capacity you, ahem, quoted.
Arunabh Das got it wrong on a website called Urban Slang .com - apparently english slang isn't his forte either. You, Sarah, had the term wrong in your head, rushed to google, plaigarized the ignorant Mr. Das's words and here we are. Maybe you'll do better next time, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
But hey, don't have to take my word for it, go ahead and view the rest of the google search you used to steal Arunabh's words. LOL You'll see - Straw Dogs is a band and a movie. And that's... about it. Now, to compare, google for "straw man". See? LOL
And you're right. I DO think you're mostly illiterate. But it's important for you to know that that's not a very big hairy deal. If you want to fix it, you can. In fact I'd like to help. Step one: straw dog does not mean the same as straw man. LOL!
A straw man is when someone like you insinuates that I said Saddam was "Sexually Enlightened". Sarah, those are your words I never said that. I feel no need to respond to your odd insinuation. My point was never that Saddam was in any way enlightened and this thread reflects that.
I said Saddams early reign was remarkable because he was a modernizing force in an otherwise medieval part of the world. It's a distinction I no longer expect you to understand. But don't let that stop you from your comically futile attempts to twist this to your advantage! LOL
Sarah, sit down, you're done. You're through LOL My sides are aching please! LOL
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Euler
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... and just one more - sorry, I can't help but gorge myself on this smorgasbord of error - get a load of this:
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The reason for your silent bluster is obvious.
"silent bluster" *cackle* Ow - My sides!
The truth is that the US is wasting human lives in Iraq and it is making the terror problem worse. Bush's chosen leader of Iraq Allawi himself says that Iraq is now in the first stage of Civil War.
Meanwhile, London shows us that the War On Terror is indeed NOT in Iraq at all!
Nobel winners like Sarah here defend US incompetence. Dear reader, please find the facts and make the best decision you can.
... and don't feed the straw dogs!
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Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:53 am |
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Euler
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Sarah, why do you still think your points require response? I already agreed with you that Saddam isn't enlightened in any way,sexual or otherwise. Can you not READ.
There is no debate: Saddam brought the Women's vote to Iraq in an era and an area where it STILL struggles. No response needed. Your Susan B Anthony straw man doesn't warrant - or merit a response.
I do agree with you that the terrorists are wasting lives and that is an abominable shame.
So please explain to me how burning 1700 US lives in Iraq is "worth it" when it has CREATED MORE terror. And please explain to Ashraf how murdering 13000 Iraqi civilians with US rockets is helping the Iraqi people.
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Sarah,
Since you are very famous in diverting attention to completely unrelated topics, I have decided to use your tactics for a while and ask you some simple question:
Didn't Bush call for segregation between sexes in schools?
Polygamy is illegal according to whom?. If it is illegal according to Jewish and Christian religions, then I would like you to show me where it mentions that a man can not marry more than one wife in the Bible or the Torah. If it is forbidden according to your constitution, then what gives you the right to dictate what other people should believe or should not if they differ in their legal system?
You can not become free by accepting to be occupied
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Wow... what a good read! I don't even know where to begin commenting on this entertaining debate. Unfortunately for Sarah, she refuses to accept that someone can defend a nation ruled by a "monster". Yes, Saddam was a horrible person, but when did this fact become the basis for a war in the name of terrorism. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I thought we were attacked by terrrorists. When I see who the terrorists are, I see many Saudi Arabian's, and not even one Iraqi !! So, now... I don't think anybody here is defending Saddam, they are simply pointing out the reasons for going to war with Iraq were completely fabricated by our American government. We were duped. Our media here led people to believe that Iraq was the one who attacked us on 9/11. We were led to believe that Saddam was going to start launching Weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION against the U.S. While everyone was panicking in the aftermath of 9/11, our government diverted our attention towards a threat that did not, and still does not exist. Yes, Saddam was a bad person, but that is not the point. The point is, in my opinion, that we need to find the terrorists. I believe that what we did in Iraq has only made everything worse!
Besides... WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA? Why isn't he the #1 objective? Most people I talk to, here in America, think Saddam planned the whole thing. No offense to us Americans, but in 2003, 70% of us thought that Saddam was directly involved!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
They also thought, we were doing a "good job" in Iraq. Now, over half of the country thinks that the war in Iraq has mad us "less safe".
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/11/bush.terror/
So, it goes to show what the media can do to influence people. But, it REALLY goes to show what a government that lies can do to influence a country.
So Sarah, although I sympathize with you in your quest for true equality in Iraq, I feel that it is another issue completely separate from the original intent of this war. You have to know that we didn't really go there to liberate your people. That is just another lie our government tells to rally support. If anybody really believes that America is sooo sensitive and caring to go liberate Iraq, then why isn't everyone pushing our government to liberate the rest of the world living in tyranny.
Personally, I think the next time our government blows billions of dollars on something, they should take a look at http://costofwar.com/
that's just my 2 cents.
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LottomagicZ4941
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quote:
Originally posted by pearljammer
Wow... what a good read! I don't even know where to begin commenting on this entertaining debate. Unfortunately for Sarah, she refuses to accept that someone can defend a nation ruled by a "monster". Yes, Saddam was a horrible person, but when did this fact become the basis for a war in the name of terrorism. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I thought we were attacked by terrrorists. When I see who the terrorists are, I see many Saudi Arabian's, and not even one Iraqi !! So, now... I don't think anybody here is defending Saddam, they are simply pointing out the reasons for going to war with Iraq were completely fabricated by our American government. We were duped. Our media here led people to believe that Iraq was the one who attacked us on 9/11. We were led to believe that Saddam was going to start launching Weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION against the U.S. While everyone was panicking in the aftermath of 9/11, our government diverted our attention towards a threat that did not, and still does not exist. Yes, Saddam was a bad person, but that is not the point. The point is, in my opinion, that we need to find the terrorists. I believe that what we did in Iraq has only made everything worse!
Besides... WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA? Why isn't he the #1 objective? Most people I talk to, here in America, think Saddam planned the whole thing. No offense to us Americans, but in 2003, 70% of us thought that Saddam was directly involved!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
They also thought, we were doing a "good job" in Iraq. Now, over half of the country thinks that the war in Iraq has mad us "less safe".
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/11/bush.terror/
So, it goes to show what the media can do to influence people. But, it REALLY goes to show what a government that lies can do to influence a country.
So Sarah, although I sympathize with you in your quest for true equality in Iraq, I feel that it is another issue completely separate from the original intent of this war. You have to know that we didn't really go there to liberate your people. That is just another lie our government tells to rally support. If anybody really believes that America is sooo sensitive and caring to go liberate Iraq, then why isn't everyone pushing our government to liberate the rest of the world living in tyranny.
Personally, I think the next time our government blows billions of dollars on something, they should take a look at http://costofwar.com/
that's just my 2 cents.
Overall great post but please don't give our leaders ideas like "If anybody really believes that America is sooo sensitive and caring to go liberate Iraq, then why isn't everyone pushing our government to liberate the rest of the world living in tyranny. "
One front is enough. Multiple fronts was one of Hitler's mistakes according to some.
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pearljammer
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It was more of a light hearted joke. I was just pointing out that in a lot of cases, most people really don't care about the people of Iraq. They pretend to care, but in all honesty, they would rather see the money stay in America.
BTW, I need you to check your yahoo e-mail. I haven't heard back from you in awhile.
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I would have to agree
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Rolo
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quote:
Originally posted by Euler
Delusional fantasy. Bush's own investigation reported that Saddam had no capacity to strike anywhere after a decade of sanctrions and what with the no-fly zone and all. You're just making up lies!
Good grief, Euler, you are ****** clueless. You are clearly thinking on emotion and try to intellectualise everything, thereby putting you in your own fantasy land.
All you and ashraf-the-towelhead (there, you got your hatred) can do is bitch and complain and call anyone who disagrees with you 'ignorant'. I was there 15 years ago, I was there 5 years ago, and I was there last year...and I can say, without a doubt, you are ****** clueless. You accuse us of getting 'programmed' by the media when all you can spout is who-said-what on TV.
Perhaps the bubba's of this country are correct: we should have turned the whole friggin' area into a damned parking lot. Plop a nice mall there. Big amusement park. In about 50,000 years.
Fine, ashraf, America is The Great Satan...how about not pissing Satan off!
"Expect me when you see me."
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Euler
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And so there we have it.
Ashraf, Americans want to kill you, personally - and your family, Americans want to nuke your country, erase your religion and turn your ancient and historic land into a place of ultimate horror, pain and death, followed by thousands of years of silence.
Take this wisdom to everyone you know, Ashraf. In this world, the good among us cannot contain the evil among us. Peace.
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Rolo
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quote:
Originally posted by Euler
Ashraf, Americans want to kill you, personally - and your family, Americans want to nuke your country, erase your religion and turn your ancient and historic land into a place of ultimate horror, pain and death, followed by thousands of years of silence.
Hey, that's what you two (whom I shall now call "The Bobsy Twins") have been saying all along. I was just unabashedly agreeing with Haji X over there.
BTW, I'm not totally up on pop-media-culture logic, so help me out: Can I still say 'towelhead' even though I am only half towelhead? Do I have to wear my thoub when I say it?
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whew, its getting ugly in here.
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